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Poster: Seto-Kaiba_Is_Stupid Date: Mar 19, 2009 5:48pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: The FACTS on Elvis Presley

It's a common misconception that Elvis Presley demanded being listed of co-writer of songs he didn't write. In reality, he is only listed as co-writer of 10 tracks. Out of these, a few such as "Heartbreak Hotel" come from arranging. Some, such as "Love me Tender", featured him listed as co-writer so The Colonel could make more money (Elvis had no say in the matter). One song, "That's Someone You'll Never Forgot", is co-credited to him since he came up with the idea for the song. "You'll Be Gone" is a rare B-Side for which he actually wrote the lyrics.

Speaking of which, did you know that John Lennon is credited as co-writer of more than a dozen songs in which he had zero involvement? This includes "Ob-Li-Di, Ob-La-Da".

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Poster: B. Stockwell Date: Mar 20, 2009 1:30am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: The FACTS on Elvis Presley

Lennon-McCartney, Lennon-McCartney. Who wrote what? Here's a simplistic way to sort it out: if Paul is doing the singing, he probably wrote it. If John's singing, then it's "mostly" one of his. Just about everyone connected with The Beatles says it's really that simple. "A Day in the Life," where they alternate? You guessed it - John wrote what he's singing and Paul sing his own section. They DID co-write most of their material in that they tried out songs on each other, bouncing music and lyric ideas around, and so the Lennon-McCartney credit. But, when it was time to record the "owner" usually got up in front of the mike. Certain restrictions apply, of course.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Mar 20, 2009 2:13am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: The FACTS on Elvis Presley

Your pretty much right. However, a few years into the Beatle's career even the bouncing of ideas ceased and the Lennon and McCartney credit became pretty much a contractual obligation. At the time there wasn't much of a history of lone songwriters in pop, mostly songwriting teams. In many ways the Lennon-McCartney partnership is a creation of a manager and publisher's marketing imagination. It was never a traditional songwiting partnership.

Most of the later Beatles songs were then developed by the band and George Martin in the studio (from about "revolver" onwards). The publishing contracts stopped the songs being credited to the group as a whole. It's probably for the same reason that the musicians who played on many of their earlier records can't put "Beatles Sessions" on their CV - it would get in the way of the Beatles Mythology.

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Poster: B. Stockwell Date: Mar 20, 2009 12:03pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: The FACTS on Elvis Presley

Yep. And by the the time there were doing the White Album, Lennon and McCartney were tired of The Beatles and the co-writing days were almost over. They did their songs seperately and even took shots at each others songs ON the album (Honey Pie vs. Wild Honey Pie.) The "Let It Be" sessions were so arduous they walked away from them and didn't even bother to finish the album. That's what keeps The Beatles (and Elvis, Sinatra, etal.) interesting - all the stories. I mean, there's enough there to keep writers and filmmakers busy forever. Daniel Radcliffe, the Harry Potter star, will probably wind up playing John, someday.

Does it show that I dated a Beatles freak who beat all this stuff into me?